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	<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 22:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on What Conditions (Exceptions) are Really About by Ascription is an Anathema to any Enthusiasm &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Conditions in Common Lisp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ascription is an Anathema to any Enthusiasm &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Conditions in Common Lisp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 20:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Weinreb wrote a long blog post recently outlining what Common Lisp&#8217;s &#8220;Conditions (exceptions) are really about.&#8221;  He argues, and I won&#8217;t disagree, that they provide a clean, even elegant, way to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Weinreb wrote a long blog post recently outlining what Common Lisp&#8217;s &#8220;Conditions (exceptions) are really about.&#8221;  He argues, and I won&#8217;t disagree, that they provide a clean, even elegant, way to [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on European Common Lisp Meeting 2008 by Dave Moon</title>
		<link>http://dlweinreb.wordpress.com/2008/04/26/european-common-lisp-meeting-2008/#comment-656</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Moon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 02:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This astonished me in several ways:

First, that there is so much Lisp activity now, when it was given up for dead a decade ago.   Admittedly these are all "marginal applications," not "mainstream," but most seem very real for all that.

Second, that there is so much new development, especially in the area of libraries and frameworks.  If I wanted to make a living as a Lisp guy again, I would not be able to do it without starting with an awful lot of learning.

Finally, that in 25 years nobody has come up with anything so clearly better than Common Lisp as to replace it.  Could be another case of "worse is better," really meaning "good enough is good enough."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This astonished me in several ways:</p>
<p>First, that there is so much Lisp activity now, when it was given up for dead a decade ago.   Admittedly these are all &#8220;marginal applications,&#8221; not &#8220;mainstream,&#8221; but most seem very real for all that.</p>
<p>Second, that there is so much new development, especially in the area of libraries and frameworks.  If I wanted to make a living as a Lisp guy again, I would not be able to do it without starting with an awful lot of learning.</p>
<p>Finally, that in 25 years nobody has come up with anything so clearly better than Common Lisp as to replace it.  Could be another case of &#8220;worse is better,&#8221; really meaning &#8220;good enough is good enough.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Nerdcore Rising - A Documentary about MC Frontalot by kebernet</title>
		<link>http://dlweinreb.wordpress.com/2008/04/28/nerdcore-rising-a-documentary-about-mc-frontalot/#comment-654</link>
		<dc:creator>kebernet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 04:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, I missed it at the Atlanta Film Festival because I had other plans *both* times it ran. I actually bought the DVD a while back, though. MC Chris is a regular at the local pub I visit, so I certainly get the NerdCore thing, but it isn't on my regular playlist.

NerdCore Rising was actually filmed just up the street from me (OK about 6 blocks away). So I feel a certain connection to it. Feel free to pimp it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, I missed it at the Atlanta Film Festival because I had other plans *both* times it ran. I actually bought the DVD a while back, though. MC Chris is a regular at the local pub I visit, so I certainly get the NerdCore thing, but it isn&#8217;t on my regular playlist.</p>
<p>NerdCore Rising was actually filmed just up the street from me (OK about 6 blocks away). So I feel a certain connection to it. Feel free to pimp it!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Did Symbolics Fail? by dlweinreb</title>
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		<dc:creator>dlweinreb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JK: Yes, that's what I'm trying to say above in the paragraph starting "The world changed out from under us..." and so on.  Of course we knew all about Sun when they were emerging, but at the time we thought we nevertheless had a huge edge when it came to running Lisp, and that there would be a big demand for said premium.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JK: Yes, that&#8217;s what I&#8217;m trying to say above in the paragraph starting &#8220;The world changed out from under us&#8230;&#8221; and so on.  Of course we knew all about Sun when they were emerging, but at the time we thought we nevertheless had a huge edge when it came to running Lisp, and that there would be a big demand for said premium.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Did Symbolics Fail? by JK</title>
		<link>http://dlweinreb.wordpress.com/2007/11/16/why-did-symbolics-fail/#comment-649</link>
		<dc:creator>JK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait, wait, wait a second. I seem to remember a slightly different reason for Symbolics' demise: they--along with a few other companies--were stomped in the marketplace by Sun. The mid-80's were a time of fierce competition in the workstation market, and Sun was really good at bringing out hardware that was reasonably capable and remarkably cheap compared to their rivals.

Someone with a better memory please correct me, but I seem to remember that you could put together a nicely loaded Sun-2 (and later Sun-3) workstation for around $50K;  that was pretty close to the starting price for a stripped-down 36XX series. You'd be looking at well over $100K for a Symbolics comparable to the Sun in terms of CPU speed, RAM, and disk space. (The Symbolics system did however include essentially the same hardware as a Sun-2 as a front-end for the Lisp engine.)

But the real trick wasn't just comparing one box against another: for the same price as the Symbolics, you could buy one really loaded Sun (that could be used as a workstation-cum-server)  plus a couple more stripped-down Sun workstations. And then you could network the Suns and have a complete environment for a small software development team--for the same price as one single-user Symbolics workstation. And if you added another coder to the team? You bought another $25K stripped-down Sun and hooked it up to the network. No such option with the Symbolics.

That's the way I remember it. The company I worked for at the time did indeed buy a few  Symbolics for a specific project, along with a few Apollos, etc., but mostly we--like many, many other companies--bought lots of Suns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait, wait, wait a second. I seem to remember a slightly different reason for Symbolics&#8217; demise: they&#8211;along with a few other companies&#8211;were stomped in the marketplace by Sun. The mid-80&#8217;s were a time of fierce competition in the workstation market, and Sun was really good at bringing out hardware that was reasonably capable and remarkably cheap compared to their rivals.</p>
<p>Someone with a better memory please correct me, but I seem to remember that you could put together a nicely loaded Sun-2 (and later Sun-3) workstation for around $50K;  that was pretty close to the starting price for a stripped-down 36XX series. You&#8217;d be looking at well over $100K for a Symbolics comparable to the Sun in terms of CPU speed, RAM, and disk space. (The Symbolics system did however include essentially the same hardware as a Sun-2 as a front-end for the Lisp engine.)</p>
<p>But the real trick wasn&#8217;t just comparing one box against another: for the same price as the Symbolics, you could buy one really loaded Sun (that could be used as a workstation-cum-server)  plus a couple more stripped-down Sun workstations. And then you could network the Suns and have a complete environment for a small software development team&#8211;for the same price as one single-user Symbolics workstation. And if you added another coder to the team? You bought another $25K stripped-down Sun and hooked it up to the network. No such option with the Symbolics.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the way I remember it. The company I worked for at the time did indeed buy a few  Symbolics for a specific project, along with a few Apollos, etc., but mostly we&#8211;like many, many other companies&#8211;bought lots of Suns.</p>
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		<title>Comment on European Common Lisp Meeting 2008 by dlweinreb</title>
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		<dc:creator>dlweinreb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grant: I believe I've got them all fixed now.  Thank you very much!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grant: I believe I&#8217;ve got them all fixed now.  Thank you very much!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Did Symbolics Fail? by If it works&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>If it works&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] above paper reference came from Dan Weinreb&#8217;s post Why Did Symbolics Fail?  If you ever want to start a company, you can learn a lot from reading “war stories” like the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] above paper reference came from Dan Weinreb&#8217;s post Why Did Symbolics Fail?  If you ever want to start a company, you can learn a lot from reading “war stories” like the [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Did Symbolics Fail? by Patrick Collison &#187; blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Collison &#187; blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ever created for developing in Lisp, but sadly died out quite a while ago (Dan Weinreb has described some of the reasons for [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ever created for developing in Lisp, but sadly died out quite a while ago (Dan Weinreb has described some of the reasons for [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on European Common Lisp Meeting 2008 by Grant Rettke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grant Rettke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 02:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan the links for PWGL, Embeddable Common Lisp, Expresso Toolkit, and Marc Battyani are bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan the links for PWGL, Embeddable Common Lisp, Expresso Toolkit, and Marc Battyani are bad.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Object-Oriented Database Management Systems Succeeded by DBMS2 &#8212; DataBase Management System Services &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Dan Weinreb on ObjectStore</title>
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		<dc:creator>DBMS2 &#8212; DataBase Management System Services &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Dan Weinreb on ObjectStore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 04:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dan Weinreb was one of the key techies at Object Design, the company that made the object-oriented database management system ObjectStore. (Object Design later merger into Excelon, which was eventually sold to Progress, which has deemphasized but still supports ObjectStore.) Recently he wrote a pair of long and fascinating articles about Object Design, ObjectStore, and OODBMS, the first of which makes the case that &#8220;object-oriented database management systems succeeded.&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Dan Weinreb was one of the key techies at Object Design, the company that made the object-oriented database management system ObjectStore. (Object Design later merger into Excelon, which was eventually sold to Progress, which has deemphasized but still supports ObjectStore.) Recently he wrote a pair of long and fascinating articles about Object Design, ObjectStore, and OODBMS, the first of which makes the case that &#8220;object-oriented database management systems succeeded.&#8221; [...]</p>
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